tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post5993846275086284651..comments2024-03-19T06:49:20.449+09:00Comments on BigHominid's Hairy Chasms: the psychology of the unsureKevin Kimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01328790917314282058noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-19676000640966381632016-09-02T14:09:47.587+09:002016-09-02T14:09:47.587+09:00I think Lewis and I are on the same wavelength, he...I think Lewis and I are on the same wavelength, here. What Pirsig said (and I agreed with) is psychologically valid: the things we take for granted don't require mention or fanfare. That said, I think your point about convincing others is also psychologically valid, but the two points of view aren't mutually exclusive.Kevin Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01328790917314282058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-67538079164534596682016-09-02T13:22:54.309+09:002016-09-02T13:22:54.309+09:00People don't proclaim that the sun will rise o...People don't proclaim that the sun will rise on the morrow because no one else needs to be convinced otherwise, not because they are sure as to whether the sun will rise. In general, no children are killed by sunrise-deniers; nor do old ladies or the working poor starve to death because of them. It seems to me that the example does not support the argument because the variable--the fact that all universally agree that the sun will rise tomorrow--was not taken into account.<br /><br />On the other hand, if one lived next door to a cult like the Branch Davidians, I could see someone really trying to convince a cult member that the world would *not* end the next day. The comment would arise precisely because our hero or heroine knows that the world will go on, and that tragedy will strike if someone actually believes that it will not.<br /><br />I don't really believe this claim of universal self-doubt in general. For what it's worth, though, C.S. Lewis had a similar thought when he said "no one who says 'I'm as good as you' actually believes it. If he believed it, it would not be necessary for him to say so.'"<br /><br />The above quote is from a memory more than 20 years old, and so is really a paraphrase rather than a quote. <br /><br />That said, if we were to say that *many* people who openly say some things with apparent sureness secretly doubt the thought that they are expressing, then I would very much agree with the sentiment. Nathan B.http://nathanbauman.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-71078750767103067912016-09-02T09:50:27.718+09:002016-09-02T09:50:27.718+09:00Kevin,
The verb "bray" is an excellent ...Kevin,<br /><br />The verb "bray" is an excellent application for those who choose to proclaim their confidence loudly.TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-64052620509886630202016-09-02T08:18:09.322+09:002016-09-02T08:18:09.322+09:00Henry,
What you're describing sounds perfectl...Henry,<br /><br />What you're describing sounds perfectly normal to me. I think a lot of us are in the same boat. That's a wiser course than to bray overconfidently.Kevin Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01328790917314282058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-15669260706439743922016-09-02T03:13:27.198+09:002016-09-02T03:13:27.198+09:00There are people (I am one of them) who are reluct...There are people (I am one of them) who are reluctant to shout regardless of their own confidence. If I am very confident, I don't want to shout about it because I am superstitiously fearful I will jinx it. If I am not at all confident, I don't want to shout about it for fear of being made to look foolish when proven wrong.TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-34381678482001639082016-09-01T22:17:49.874+09:002016-09-01T22:17:49.874+09:00Basically, all I said was that I agree with Pirsig...Basically, all I said was that I agree with Pirsig.Kevin Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01328790917314282058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-37243093509934349492016-09-01T22:14:32.543+09:002016-09-01T22:14:32.543+09:00By your own logic, this is a rather unsure post. E...By your own logic, this is a rather unsure post. Ergo, I question whether your premise actually holds.King Baeksuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106210206814275410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-13735145490333246492016-09-01T21:57:04.954+09:002016-09-01T21:57:04.954+09:00Making the world a better place, one locution at a...Making the world a better place, one locution at a time!Charleshttp://www.liminality.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-76652778998537767932016-09-01T19:07:38.340+09:002016-09-01T19:07:38.340+09:00Shouldn't that be: "Better to keep our mo...<b>Shouldn't that be: "Better to keep our mouths shut so people believe that we're absolutely sure of something"?</b><br /><br />I would say no because that's as confusing to me as my locution was to you. If I'm keeping my mouth shut, it's because I'm already sure, not because I feel a need to convince others that I'm sure. "So people believe that" adds an unnecessary layer of subtext.<br /><br />What I was trying to say was something more along the lines of, "If you're truly convinced of something's truth, why say anything?" Maybe I should've just written that. In fact, I may go back and rewrite that last part. Thanks.Kevin Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01328790917314282058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5541500.post-74071044101739921342016-09-01T18:43:51.160+09:002016-09-01T18:43:51.160+09:00I'm confused by the last line: "Better to...I'm confused by the last line: "Better to keep our mouths shut when we're absolutely sure of something." Shouldn't that be: "Better to keep our mouths shut so people <i>believe</i> that we're absolutely sure of something"? Because if we're already absolutely sure, we're already not saying anything. And keeping our mouths shut is not necessarily going to lead to surety. (If the original statement is "people who are absolutely sure of something (S) do not bluster about that something (~B)," logically we can say that the contrapositive is true: People who bluster about something (B) are not absolutely sure of that something (~S). However, the converse (people who do not bluster about something (~B) are absolutely sure of that something (S)) is not necessarily true. There are many reasons why people might choose not to bluster, even if they lack absolute surety.)<br /><br />Unless, of course, you're just telling everyone to shut up... in which case, carry on.Charleshttp://www.liminality.orgnoreply@blogger.com